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Post by Creative Sushi on Nov 24, 2015 16:45:58 GMT
Maybe a green cactus-like Pikmin? Pikmin verses Zombies. Also, you said you didn't like it because it isn't natural and used sprays as an example. I don't think that can be considered natural as their natural form is berries. I don't see how processing berries into sprays is different from using other materials to make structures. So your saying that making jam is just as natural as constructing a building? How about no. Also this isn't true. Sprays can be found in eggs and spectralids in the spray form.
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Post by jpmrocks on Nov 24, 2015 22:03:07 GMT
I feel being able to place down a slingshot where ever they please would be a bit iffy. If there were pre-placed slingshots, use for a specific puzzle (like boss fights are launching Pikmin further across a river), it could work better. I feel arc planning would be extremely difficult, however. Pre-placing would work, but it would become something different. Instead of being useful for battle, it would instead be useful for puzzles or nearby enemies. While it would work, it would also seem more like a bridge for example that is only useful for the location it's in. Giving the player the option to place and choose these powerful objects would be very cumbersome.
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Post by The Shearsquid on Nov 24, 2015 22:33:54 GMT
You all raise interesting points. Here's what I believe we all agree on:
1. Pikmin could use small weaponry 2. Slingshots could work with certain limitations 3. Not everything has to be necessarily natural since electrical gates and parts for bridges exist 4. Nathan disagrees with everything I say
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Post by Creative Sushi on Nov 24, 2015 23:04:50 GMT
You all raise interesting points. Here's what I believe we all agree on: 1. Pikmin could use small weaponry 2. Slingshots could work with certain limitations 3. Not everything has to be necessarily natural since electrical gates and parts for bridges exist 4. Nathan disagrees with everything I say If I agree with this, then number 4 is invalid, and if I disagree on this, then all of them are invalid because we don't "all agree" on them On a more serious note, I feel like slingshots are just too specific of a thing for Pikmin to know how to build. Yes, I don't feel that a captain can control the Pikmin passed, "Move this here." Yes, Pikmin have built things before, but keep in mind the things that they have built were not told to be built by a captain. Once you point a Pikmin to resources they will build whatever they decide wherever they decide. You can just hand a Pikmin a blueprint and have them understand it and apply, and even telling a Pikmin to connect part a to part b would just leave them with a confused look on their face. In a similar fashion, they wouldn't know how to shoot arrows. Do me a favor and give a dog a bow and arrow and tell them to shoot something. Yes, a dog can fetch a ball for you, and let you know when it wants to go out by going to the door, but it can't build a cannon or fire manmade machinery. Seriously. Now you may argue that a Pikmin is more intelligent then a dog, which may be the case, but please keep in mind the way Pikmin know how to attack an enemy or follow basic commands is based on instinct, not necessarily intelligence. So what you saying is that Pikmin will soon be crafting weapons out of electrical gates? The lightbulbs and treasure in Pikmin 2 is left by mankind, the Pikmin have nothing to do with it. That is like saying that fish knows how to fire a gun because can openers exist.
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Post by Creative Sushi on Nov 24, 2015 23:10:00 GMT
Listen, for a game-play element, pre-placed slingshots and bow and arrow wielding Pikmin could work, but it just doesn't make any sense. You would need alternatives, like the Pikmin type who has the specialty of projectiles.
As for pre-placed slingshots, a object with similar effect is already present in the game. Rolling balls down hills. Your using a projectile rock to go fast speeds in order to kill enemies and open up areas. The difference is that it makes sense.
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Post by jpmrocks on Nov 24, 2015 23:25:06 GMT
Pikmin I feel should use tools more than weapons. I'd like to mines from Bingo Battle being used in the main game. More support tools, such as sprays, or leaves as someone else on the forums, that help pikmin glide.
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Post by Creative Sushi on Nov 24, 2015 23:34:40 GMT
Pikmin I feel should use tools more than weapons. I'd like to mines from Bingo Battle being used in the main game. More support tools, such as sprays, or leaves as someone else on the forums, that help pikmin glide. Why would we need leaves for that? Pikmin can apparently just randomly bloom flowers when they are falling. (joking)
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Post by PikFan23 on Nov 25, 2015 7:02:45 GMT
Say that there was some sort of upgrade that enhanced the Pikmin's intelligence. I'm... not sure how it would work, and it's not realistic, but meh. It could improve their intelligence to the point where they know how to operate more advanced things. Not crazy things like human technology, but simple technology, such as bows and arrows, like I originally suggested. Though, I do think the idea of a specific Pikmin for throwing projectiles could work... But you suggested that their projectiles would be thorns, and the way I read it, it seems like that the thorns would be generated from their bodies. How many thorns would they be able to throw before being used up? And how would their thorns be replenished? Introducing a new type of nectar? *shrugs*
Regarding the slingshot idea: I agree with having fixed locations, but you'd be able to pick up the slingshots and carry them to different sites. Also, in order to fix the angle problem, there could be different types of slingshots, each with a different angle for launching. If you had only one of each type, though, you'd have to choose which slingshot is best for what location, adding a bit of strategy.
And about the tools: I agree to this as well, but I also feel like they should be able to use weapons, too. After all, this whole thread is about thinking of new ways that Pikmin can attack...
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